williamsburg even before these winter meetings telling the caucus we have to make this deal on the debt ceiling and fight -- live to fight another day, he really is looking more and more like a 2016 possibility because he is trying to recast the posture of the party. >> i don't know where he gets tough sacrifices. what he asked before, and now he wants to do a budget of ten years that will balance the budget. you know, to do that would require even more drastic cuts that i think he knows democrats will not go along with. that's going to be difficult. i think it's a question of what issues do they take off the table like immigration as well as how they approach the budget and build out their own coalition, which they haven't figured out yet. >> and we see transitions tim geithner, saying good-bye. he ligue really with the respect of the white house and respect of the markets? >> i think, you know, it's a question that paul krugman gets at in the "new york times" today. what et cetera the right path to ultimately create jobs and growth? >> do you still have to focus on the deficit, or wil